Ipswich: Society proposes other uses for Cornhill cash

PCSO's  deterring drivers from going down Dog Head St. PCSO's deterring drivers from going down Dog Head St.

Saturday, January 18, 2014
9:00 AM

One of the leading voices against proposals for a £3.5million revamp of the Cornhill in the heart of the town has been the Ipswich Society.

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In their latest newsletter, Society chairman John Norman has suggested 10 alternative schemes that could improve the town centre without costing such a lot of money.

Among his proposals are repairing or replacing all the broken paving stones and bricks in the town centre.

Mr Norman said: “When utilities have dug up the paving, there is often a temporary repair of tarmac which is left for ages and looks unsightly. If this is replaced by paving it often doesn’t match the colour.

“They should have to remove the paving, keep it safe and then replace it, if then want to dig up the town centre.”

He said regulations keeping cars off several town centre streets should be more rigorously enforced – ironically only hours after the publication of his list police staff started stopping cars using Dogs Head Street.

All vehicles should be banned from town centre roads during the day except for emergency vehicles – in the 21st century there was no need for an exemption for security vans delivering money to banks.

Other suggestions include diverting buses away from Museum Street, Queen Street and Upper Brook Street and finding a new use for some of the most prominent buildings.

Mr Norman suggests that the Great White Horse on the junction of Tavern Street and Northgate Street should be converted into flats.

The ground floor has been converted into shops and a cafe 
but the hotel bedrooms have 
been unused for many years.

He suggests that cycling should be banned during the day time on busy roads in the town centre – and that the ban should be enforced.

And he also says that there should be some necessary maintenance to the Cornhill to return it to the condition it was in when pedestrianised in 1986.

This should include new electricity supplies for market stalls, which should be re-aligned to avoid causing an obstruction to Westgate Street.

21 comments

  • Instead of spending all that money on The Cornhill.....they should think of other ways to entice shoppers into the Town Centre first....why not on Market days reduce the cost of IBC car parks during the day (not just for after 3pm) as a shopper I want to get into Town and out again before 3pm and not get involved with the rush hour after shopping. I am sure IBC can do lots with that money instead of using it for one project that most people in the Town think is a stupid waste of money. Please THINK again IBC !!!!!

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    TriXia

    Sunday, January 19, 2014

  • While there is nothing wrong with these suggestions all of these matters should have been resolved as they arise and should not require significant public expenditure to put things right now. It comes down to councils, SCC and IBC, not being capable of simple day to day management of public assets. Revamping the Cornhill would make a public statement and provide a focal point for the town but it's success will be judged on how it is used and how well it is maintained from there on. The market needs to move, perhaps to Queen St. as it is always untidy and does not create a good impression.

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    amsterdam81

    Saturday, January 18, 2014

  • The town is not exactly very big and one end has been left to ruin. The top of upper orwell street, burnt out church, odeon building, hideous traffic lights. Most of the street is unused or derelict. This is of course on the path to the marina making it even more pathetic. But the council want to erect a tower in the cornhill akin to a penis at vast expense. Why are these people paid lots of money ?

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    Happy

    Saturday, January 18, 2014

  • Whilst I don't agree with the alternatives suggested (agree with amsterdam81 that some of them are down to IBC just not managing work properly) I'm glad that some sort of public body type thing is publicy against the cornhill work. I agree that it's a waste and having spoken to some of the people I know on the market (having been a loyal customer and user of it for years) they agree that it will only make things worse. . @IpswichSpy - You should apply your own comments to yourself. You are a nameless and anonymous busybody who seems to think that your opinion is correct and others shouldn't have one at all. I take it you are also someone who hates the market that so many of us actually use! Do you really think 3 years of disruption to the centre of town is going to result in any improvements. Most shops are on the edge of sustainability (if you believe reports) so this work will probably just push them over the edge and cause more closures. Also, do you really think that an uneven area with stairs will provide a better of safe place in which any kind of event can take place?!

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    Chris Church

    Saturday, January 18, 2014

  • He is suggesting banning cycling on busy roads in the town centre, not the pedestrian areas.....not very clever really considering the town is now gridlocked at certain times and cycling is the only way to get in and out quickly.

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    Andrew Ward

    Saturday, January 18, 2014

  • It's a great idea to start at the corn hill with the revamp of the town centre. The only problem I can see with having cafésseating areas around there is that I think it will attract even more pigeons to the area looking for scraps and then will people want to risk being a sitting target as such? The market area could be moved to the butter market street and then can be added to at Xmas with continental markets. There needs to be a link between the centre down queen street and St. Peter's street to the marina but not sure what link. Maybe close it off and have market stalls down there?

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    Robert Barrell

    Saturday, January 18, 2014

  • The tax paying public pay all of these peoples wages yet they dont listen to tgeir public. We as tax payers own cars and its our liberty to use them. I for one dont want some idiotic out of touch jobsworth telling me what we can and cant do. This makes me really want to run for local government; these fools need putting in their place "the job centre queue"

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    Rory Breaker

    Saturday, January 18, 2014

  • Chris Church, you say you are glad that some "public body" is against the scheme. Except this isn't a public body, it is an association of people who seem to believe that they have a self appointed right to pontificate and, importantly, have their opinion taken more seriously than others. My opinion is just my opinion. I don't expect Paul Geater to write an article saying I am in favour or against any particular scheme. Why are their views taken so seriously, when they are completely unrepresentative - seemingly even within their own organisation! As for assuming I hate the market - I actually use the market myself, or rather parts of it. I'm not all that keen on the way it looks, but I don't blame the market for that. Since the council has taken back control, they've had 6 different market managers in a year. It is hardly surprising that it isn't the most thriving of markets. Poorly laid out and in dire need of some serious help, the market should be part of the future of our town centre. That doesn't mean it has to be solely on the Cornhill though - I didn't notice any opposition to the Ipswich Markets Act which gives permission for the market to be on Lloyds Avenue, Queens Street or the northern end of Princes Street. Yes I do support this scheme, and I also think there are a lot of people in the town who will. From those I've spoken to it is about fiftyfifty, but it seems not many who like the scheme are prepared to put their head above the parapet.

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    IpswichSpy

    Saturday, January 18, 2014

  • Can I just point out that cycling is banned between 10am and 4pm in the town centre but no one enforces it. I have seen two accidents in the last three years and many near collisions. Some one is going to be seriously injured soon as these people weave in between pedestrians at high speed. Who is the agency empowered with enforcing the town centre laws as soon or later they are going be culpable of negligence.They have a duty of care to the public.

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    Billy Knowbend

    Saturday, January 18, 2014

  • The Ipswich Society was founded in 1960 but they act as if its some ancient well established Victorian organisation. They also seem to think they are the Ipswich Corporation. All 10 schemes as suggested are pathetic. Waste of time.

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    Ipswich Entrepreneur

    Saturday, January 18, 2014

  • what on earth have flats and road use got to do with the money being used for the cornhill??? the town centre is in desperate need of a facelift and the cornhill is a great place to start. i do agree that the more prominent buildings in the town need to be highlighted

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    Davin

    Saturday, January 18, 2014

  • Cycling in the town centre can only be enforced by those with powers to do , this is the police and pcso's . The town centre has a vehicle ban between 10am and 4pm but this never gets extended on thursday late night shopping ! Sometimes there are massive vehicles driving through the town when there are masses of people about . Deliveries should be done before 10am and then no more traffic for the rest of the day . The heavy traffic has ruined the block paving in the town and is very loose , good job we had no riots in ipswich otherwise there would have been tons of ammo for the rioters just where they want it . Unfortunately for Ipswich town centre they have so many people involved in the "process" of transformation that errors are made time and time again . They have failed with the civic drive roundabout , the two bus staitions and giles corner and will fail with the traffic light fiasco that will be Norwich road chevalier street valley road junction . Just let William Coe sort it all out , he and his family have created a great store in Norwich Road amongst all the other rubbish that is there , surely he can do it for the town centre too ? He is part of it but please take more notice of what he thinks .

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    Poppys Dad

    Saturday, January 18, 2014

  • It's a great idea to start at the corn hill with the revamp of the town centre. The only problem I can see with having cafésseating areas around there is that I think it will attract even more pigeons to the area looking for scraps and then will people want to risk being a sitting target as such? The market area could be moved to the butter market street and then can be added to at Xmas with continental markets. There needs to be a link between the centre down queen street and St. Peter's street to the marina but not sure what link. Maybe close it off and have market stalls down there?

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    Robert Barrell

    Saturday, January 18, 2014

  • who the heck is this lot,never heard of them

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    pandy

    Saturday, January 18, 2014

  • seems like classic case of divide & conquer, propose something even more ridiculous to spend the money on,like banning cyclists in the town,and it ends up making the original proposal seem reasonable in comparison which considering its 3.5million for a piece of glorified decking and a gigantic pigeon perch, shows how ridiculous the Ipswich societys response is.

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    beerbaron

    Sunday, January 19, 2014

  • It's a great idea to start at the corn hill with the revamp of the town centre. The only problem I can see with having cafésseating areas around there is that I think it will attract even more pigeons to the area looking for scraps and then will people want to risk being a sitting target as such? The market area could be moved to the butter market street and then can be added to at Xmas with continental markets. There needs to be a link between the centre down queen street and St. Peter's street to the marina but not sure what link. Maybe close it off and have market stalls down there?

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    Robert Barrell

    Saturday, January 18, 2014

  • The Ipswich Society is so far out of touch it is embarrassing. They have every opportunity to put their views every time there is a proposal. There is a small group within this organisation who support shall we say things that are advantageous to those known to this organisation. They are so far up themselves it is an absolute ridiculous suggestion to turn the Great White Horse into flats. I believe this is not well thought out and I am sure some members will be aghast. Laughable.

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    Joseph Marshall

    Saturday, January 18, 2014

  • I take it this person has is a "friend" of the newspaper getting his bonkers suggestions put in article rather than having to make then in the troll section down here.

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    IanW

    Saturday, January 18, 2014

  • Instead of spending all that money on The Cornhill.....they should think of other ways to entice shoppers into the Town Centre first....why not on Market days reduce the cost of IBC car parks during the day (not just for after 3pm) as a shopper I want to get into Town and out again before 3pm and not get involved with the rush hour after shopping. I am sure IBC can do lots with that money instead of using it for one project that most people in the Town think is a stupid waste of money. Please THINK again IBC !!!!!

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    TriXia

    Sunday, January 19, 2014

  • I think the picture of this article says it all. They want to stop cars adding to congestion but what about the buses? I work in the town and its a constant problem of one bus stopped at the bus stop outside revolution holding back all other buses either wanting to go into old cattle market bus station or through to Dog Head Street.Why don't they utilise that large pavement and take the bus stop off the road itself with a two space bus layby?

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    Ipswich Entrepreneur

    Saturday, January 18, 2014

  • Who exactly are these self appointed busy bodies and why does anyone care a fig what they think? After years of people moaning about the state of the town, we now have a really fantastic proposal for the town centre. Let's get behind our town, rather than settling for some minor mediocre maintenance that really ought to be happening anyway. Ipswich Society should wind their neck in before someone chops it off.

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    IpswichSpy

    Saturday, January 18, 2014

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