WE need a successful market, not a piazza - says market leader.

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That is the view of Ipswich Market supervisor Warren Niles today as he called on retail guru Sir Stuart Rose to rethink his views on the town centre.

Sir Stuart, former executive chairman of Marks and Spencer, caused controversy last year when he claimed the market should be moved to Lloyds Avenue and a piazza put in its place.

But Mr Niles, who has described the market as popular and thriving, has invited the businessman back to see it in action.

He said: “I speak from the heart and can honestly say that I feel the market is best situated on the Cornhill, whatever the opinions of others.

“As for Sir Stuart, he is entitled to his opinion, however misguided and ludicrous it may be, we need a successful market not a piazza.

“If Sir Stuart would feel the need to discuss this, I am sure I could find time in my busy schedule to educate him in the benefits of a successful market.

“I would even treat him to a coffee and a bacon roll should he accept my offer.”

Mr Niles believes about 80% of people who use the market are regular customers while a number of people in who shop in the town will occasionally pick up items from there.

And there are plans this year for a series of events which, it is hoped, will raise its profile and encourage more people to shop there.

Mr Niles said: “The loyal Ipswich public shop in large amounts on the Cornhill and, more to the point, return over and over again.”

“I must thank the shoppers who have been loyal to the market for many years, their loyalty speaks volumes and they deserve to be able to visit their market on the Cornhill for years to come.”

Borough council leader David Ellesmere added: “We are looking at what we can do to improve the Cornhill and we will be taking into account all the views that have been expressed about it.”

Sir Stuart’s message to business leaders during the conference was not all doom and gloom.

He praised the waterfront, declaring it a major asset, but insisted its development should not be at the expense of other parts of Ipswich.

“The Waterfront is fantastic but there is a problem with linking it to the town centre, you need to link up the different parts of the town,” he said.

An Ipswich Star poll in light of Sir Stuart’s comments revealed 444 people were in favour of changes being made to the Cornhill, while 232 people voted against the change.

The Ipswich Star last year launched the I Love Ipswich campaign to celebrate all that is good about the town.

35 comments

  • @buxton - the question wasn't Ipswich's current status but why it shouldn't aspire to greatness. Ipswich can attract money... the uni just gained some funding towards sports facilities, the council got finding from Europe (I think) to create Giles circus. All it takes is the right idea and the right leader, someone, like, say... Stuart Rose ;-)

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    Scott Brock

    Tuesday, January 29, 2013

  • The location of the market is a non issue really. No one I know would make a specific trip to Ipswich to visit the marke anyway. The issue is that if the town centre and it's shopping facilties continue to deterioate, then no one will use the market, as people won't be in the town centre in the first place.

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    england1770

    Tuesday, January 29, 2013

  • I don't get into town to shop very often, but if I am there on a Saturday I will have a look around the market. Sometime I buy, and sometimes I dont. I only look around it because of it's current location - I wouldn't go out of my way to find it!

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    N M

    Tuesday, January 29, 2013

  • Sarky Sage - good of you to try to get improvements but when a business has a total monopoly it makes them think they are important (even God-like) and they don't listen. Instead they like to call themselves by grandiose titles like 'Mr Ipswich'; I would laugh but it might kill me! It is about time that our local papers served the people; not themselves.

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    Johnthebap

    Friday, February 1, 2013

  • Whoever moderates the comments need to learn the meaning of the word 'consistency'. Sometimes I post the same message twice in error because the newspaper's website is hopeless and does not show the comment as posted, when it was. Then I get an e-mail telling me my comment is rejected due to "duplication"; I don't need to know that, the extra one can just be ignored! But today I see "Oh and where did marks and spencers all start from.......?? Oh yh a market stall" posted 4 times by Buxton! It must be difficult to get good staff.

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    Johnthebap

    Thursday, January 31, 2013

  • Does Mr Niles really think that Mr Rose will.come to town listen to what he has to say, No chance.. If Mr Miles is so passionate about the market he Supervises then why does he not come up with the ideas instead?? Oh yes that's it...he's just a supervisor....Puppet on a string me thinks!!

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    Shed Kev

    Saturday, February 2, 2013

  • @Buxton "it may work in Covent garden but Ipswich is not Covent garden" - it is exactly that low aspiration low ambition attitude which has left Ipswich in this mess. There is no rule it law to prevent Ipswich having a piazza every bit as good. Time to realise Ipswich deserves to be as good if not better than it's contemporaries

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    Scott Brock

    Tuesday, January 29, 2013

  • @NM - what would you describe as "out if your way to find it"? If it were on queens streetprinces street for example where Giles statue is do you think you'd still visit?

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    Scott Brock

    Tuesday, January 29, 2013

  • That's right, dumb-dumb, you know so much more about retail than the guy who was a successful Chief Exec of M&S and saw off an aggressive takeover attempt from Sir Philip Green. Oh, and you're also 100% correct that the future economic success of the town solely lies in buying tat from spivs.

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    Dave Allard's English Teecher

    Tuesday, January 29, 2013

  • Oh and where did marks and spencers all start from.......?? Oh yh a market stall

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    Buxton

    Tuesday, January 29, 2013

  • @ NM - excellent. So i cannot see why they are making such a fuss over the idea of moving. You are right moving it far away is not good, but the two sites being proposed are adjacent to the town hall. The market should in reality be so good people will travel to use it. Wherever it is... Just 10 metres from it's current site isn't going to harm it in any way

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    Scott Brock

    Tuesday, January 29, 2013

  • Scott Brook - if it is still situated somewhere in the town centre I will still visit it. If it is hidden away like it was in the car-park in Black Horse Lane then I wont. It has to be in an area of heavy footfall or no-one will bother with it.

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    N M

    Tuesday, January 29, 2013

  • Oh and where did marks and spencers all start from.......?? Oh yh a market stall

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    Buxton

    Tuesday, January 29, 2013

  • I agree mr clement should move on , why does he get stuart rose in to sort it out when i thought it was part of his job

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    Buxton

    Wednesday, January 30, 2013

  • Seems to me we all have to get used to the fact that from now on, because of the internet and out of town supermarket monopolies, we have to rethink what our town centres are going to be there for in the future. It's the 21st century equivalent of moving goods by canal over to rail. There is no going back. At the mo, the council has not got a grip on how to attract any worthwhile long term investment by small store owners. There is a place for markets but what we will need to do for the future is encourage the smaller businesses back to the high street to offer the shopper variety. That's not going to happen while councils fall over themselves catering for the needs of fly by night developers, supermarkets and hotel erectors.

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    Sarky Sage

    Tuesday, January 29, 2013

  • Piazza !!!! Excuse me but we are in Great Britain outside tables & chairs wouldare unusable for most of the year due to weather. & if they were not removed & locked up overnight they would go 'missing' or could well be used by violent persons to vandalize the town center. With so many shops closing in the town center The Market Is about the only feature of ipswich that might attract anyone to shop!!

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    Les

    Tuesday, January 29, 2013

  • I think getting a piazza in Ipswich is a step in the wrong direction. I think it's ridiculous that everyone thinks we should aspire to be more instead of just going "yeah, we're a small town, love it anyway!" I think the market place should stay where it is, it's the business' that need to change. Fair enough, we've been hit hard by the internet buying - who hasn't? That's out of our control...but I could almost guarentee that people are put off the shops largely because of the rude staff, messy shops ect.

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    emi7

    Sunday, February 3, 2013

  • Well maybe if we stopped funding the leaflet handing out red coats and ipswich central which costs an absolute fortune and hire an ACTUAL town centre manager things would be better

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    Buxton

    Wednesday, January 30, 2013

  • I'm not against the market moving, as long as it is a good central location. I shop there every week but do think it is looking a bit tired and we need some new stalls. Also more occasional markets like the Xmas one which was fantastic.

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    K Mcc

    Tuesday, January 29, 2013

  • Oh and where did marks and spencers all start from.......?? Oh yh a market stall

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    Buxton

    Tuesday, January 29, 2013

  • @ Buston - though I do agree about the town centre manager, I think it's time paul clement moved on... I'd like someone who can really speak up for the town... and get their face out there more!

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    Scott Brock

    Wednesday, January 30, 2013

  • In comparison to MANY ipswich is a relatively poor town FACT. Places like covent garden where money is more plentiful can thrive more

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    Buxton

    Tuesday, January 29, 2013

  • "We need a successful market, not a piazza" about about BOTH? He presents a very narrow minded POV. No ones suggests having one of the other, but BOTH would be very beneficial for the town. Stuart Rose never suggested getting rid of the market or trying to move it somewhere where it won't thrive. Just a few yards away will not kill it or even harm it, and the extra traffic created by the piazza to socialise, see artwork, eat, drink, see live music, festivals and events would also benefit the market traders, no? The question is to trust the man who steered M&S from oblivion, or to trust the man who runs a medicore - at best -market. Um... and for that, why not just trial it on a new location. The market is temporary... Why not trial moving it for a month and run events on the cornhil and canvas shoppers and traders to see what they thinks works?

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    Scott Brock

    Tuesday, January 29, 2013

  • To John the Bap - I have tried several times to get the staff on here to take note of how rubbish the site is to use - whether you click on the cookie button or not, these pages wobble up and down till ya feel seasick trying to read 'em. There are too many ads affecting the whole thing - none of which will induce me to buy anything. And it's not just my computer - the works ones suffer the same fate.

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    Sarky Sage

    Thursday, January 31, 2013

  • Oh and where did marks and spencers all start from.......?? Oh yh a market stall

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    Buxton

    Tuesday, January 29, 2013

  • How different the Cornhill looks on the days the market is not there. This is the traditional centre of the town and needs to be left clear. Much more impressive. There are plenty of other places, not to far from the centre.

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    Sirius

    Tuesday, January 29, 2013

  • It may work in covent garden but ipswich is certainly nocovent garden. I agree that SOME of the market looms very tired. But ALL bussiness are struggling take a look at the big retailers many struggling to open doors. Many may find it hard to spruce up stalls when they are struggling to make ends meet. As for tat the fish stall brings visitors from all over suffolk way better than many a DRY fish trailors with a great service. Why dont they concentrate on dropping rates and attracting more retailers to our ever emptying shops rather than trying to move the smaller business

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    Buxton

    Tuesday, January 29, 2013

  • This debate reminds me of the expression: if you always do what you've always done you always get what you've always got. What's wrong with even trying something a little different and to see how it works? It only needs to be temporary initially... just like when they moved the market in the first place.... it was only a few weeks trial if I recall.

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    Scott Brock

    Tuesday, January 29, 2013

  • @ les - of course a piazza would work all year round... If you don't think so I suggest visiting covent garden or leister sq any time of the year. You'll find plenty of people sitting outside even in the coldest and wettest weather. They also exist in countries with are just as seasonal as ours - Germany for example... Cologne, Berlin, have piazza after piazza and they get colder winters than we do!

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    Scott Brock

    Tuesday, January 29, 2013

  • The market is an eyesore, how anyone can justify that the collection of mismatched tents on the Cornhill selling low quality goods is good for town is madness.

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    Angry Commuter

    Tuesday, January 29, 2013

  • Get Rid or move it to the Waterfront

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    NOEXCUSE

    Tuesday, January 29, 2013

  • It's an eyesore and that idiot at the meat wagon talking to himself through a microphone

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    m01

    Tuesday, January 29, 2013

  • He's hardly going to accept an invitation to return by someone describing his views as misguided and ludicrous. The market clogs up the town centre and i agree with the guy who has run M & S over the guy who runs a small market.

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    Ted Maul

    Tuesday, January 29, 2013

  • @ Buxton - We don't fund Ipswich Central, it's a Business Improvement District and is paid for by the town centre businesses that are part of that district. It's their contribution to making the town centre a better place from which they then benefit from more shoppers. And aren't political parties self funded as well? they're not allowed the spend tax payers money on their own canvassing, isn't Labour money raised from the Unions and private sponsors? The Tories from private sponsors?

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    Scott Brock

    Wednesday, January 30, 2013

  • Ok i agree that local bussiness pay towards ipswich central but im confident the tax payers money does to.

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    Buxton

    Wednesday, January 30, 2013

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